boriel Wrote:INK 9 is not implemented. Basically, INK 9 = INK 1.
INK 8 is implemented, on the other hand.
The same applies for paper.

ZX BASIC uses its own print routine, which is faster than the one in the ROM.
It allows ITALIC and BOLD, and OVER 2 and OVER 3.
Try:

Code:

PRINT BOLD 1; "Hello World"
PRINT ITALIC 1; "Hello World";
PRINT BOLD 1; ITALIC 1; "Hello World";

I will study whether to include INK/PAPER 9 and how, anyway.

nitrofurano Wrote:btw, would be great if the 'italic' command could be renamed to 'oblique' or 'slant' - naming 'oblique' as 'italic' is a similar mistake as naming 'ellipse' as 'oval', when they are completelly different things (a mistake sadly used on Nodebox ( <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://nodebox.net">http://nodebox.net</a><!-- m --> ), and fixed on Shoebot fork ( <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://shoebot.net">http://shoebot.net</a><!-- m --> ) ) - maybe 'oblique', for example, being used by default, and deprecating 'italic' (for that people still using that), would be the best idea?

britlion Wrote:

nitrofurano Wrote:btw, would be great if the 'italic' command could be renamed to 'oblique' or 'slant' - naming 'oblique' as 'italic' is a similar mistake as naming 'ellipse' as 'oval', when they are completelly different things (a mistake sadly used on Nodebox ( <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://nodebox.net">http://nodebox.net</a><!-- m --> ), and fixed on Shoebot fork ( <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://shoebot.net">http://shoebot.net</a><!-- m --> ) ) - maybe 'oblique', for example, being used by default, and deprecating 'italic' (for that people still using that), would be the best idea?

You're absolutely right - it's not technically another font, it's an oblique version of the current one. However, as wikipedia points out "In many computing interfaces, the text leaning effect is called Italic, whether or not an italic font is used to render the text." - there's a certain convention to doing this. I'd much rather it was called italic that people would understand and use, rather than oblique, which people might miss. Even if it's technically incorrect.

We can put a note on the web page for the command though

nitrofurano Wrote:the problem, or danger, of naming oblique as italic is just like "telling a lie often to become a true", just like the indian castes, or people saying bullfight is tradition or culture, or even saying hackers are the same as crackers (like most of the "journalists" shamefully does, ignoring completelly about MIT hacker ethics), etc.. - in my oppinion, the only way to correcting this kind of mistake, specially when sadly it is becoming a convention, is doing our part on avoiding it, even when we are doing this alone

britlion Wrote:

nitrofurano Wrote:the problem, or danger, of naming oblique as italic is just like "telling a lie often to become a true", just like the indian castes, or people saying bullfight is tradition or culture, or even saying hackers are the same as crackers (like most of the "journalists" shamefully does, ignoring completelly about MIT hacker ethics), etc.. - in my oppinion, the only way to correcting this kind of mistake, specially when sadly it is becoming a convention, is doing our part on avoiding it, even when we are doing this alone

I honestly think that there's more likelihood of creating more confusion than less - most people won't understand because it's becoming a convention; so they'll lose access to such a nice feature.

More importantly, I also think this is such a small issue that I'd much rather Boriel spends his time getting new features into the compiler or making it faster than spending time renaming functions - and while he's at it, breaking all the code written that uses "italics" as well. That's just going to annoy programmers who will have to recode projects if they want them to work again.

boriel Wrote:I already know about the italic/oblique thing (someone in fact, documented that in the wiki already, and has been discussed here).
I neither compare it to such horrid thinks (e.g. the bullfight in Spain, and many spaniards -me included- think it should be banned nowadays, regardless its a "tradition") nor understand very well the relation to this matter. :?:

boriel Wrote:I just simply use Italic because as other people pointed, it's a most common used term (even in Word, the I is for oblique). Also the word Italic is much more known than Oblique. In Spanish we say "Cursiva", by the way. So don't know where this come from.

There are many other examples of mis-application of words. Ej. for Function Library, the mistranslation "Librería" (book shop) has been widely accepted insted of "Biblioteca", etc...